Tolerance is really a better thing than understanding. I had an ingrained hatred of Jeb before I ever saw him. High Times: I remember telling you youd never make it as a writer until you learned how to type. Used Planes comes out every single month. Not so much to put anything in its place as to give an account of what had happened to me. Lebowitz is an atheist, so for her, no. The one I wrote myself was called House of Leather. The psychiatrist also had shoulder-length hair and Levis under his white coat, and I spent ten minutes arguing with him over whether Id taken acid or smoked pot. I hated the we. So I evolved the theory that horses are hands. If I had to, I would rather have dinner with James Thurber, than, say James Joyce. . I used to start at midnight, but thats gotten pushed up, so now its common for me to start at three in the morning. The only shows I remember when I was a little kid are Miss Francess Ding Dong School, which I watched because everyone made fun of me because my name was Frances. Of course, every year it gets harder to find them. If someone else has to write, then you know you have a willing companion to talk to on the phone for hours and hours while they put off their writing. Fran Lebowitz has realised George Costanza is, in fact, an idiot. When it was on at 1:30 I saw no reason to get up in the morning, but now its on at 11:30, so sometimes I wake up to watch it. The rest of them were mostly folksingers and blues musicians and other horrible poets. Which is why I remember things. Not just New York. Knowledge of a culture. What could they be thinking? It was like the myth where if a girl gets pregnant and takes the boy to court, if three other boys come into court and say that they had slept with her, they would all get off scot-free. I would wake up and be so excited because I could smoke. My inspiration for wanting to be a beatnik was not Allen Ginsberg or Jack Kerouac but Maynard G. Krebs from the Dobie Gillis show. This conversation began at a public event at the 92nd Street Y in 2013, and was picked up again in her Vermont kitchen eight years later, in the summer of 2021, when the social restrictions of the pandemic had, for a time, eased. It was on West Fourth Street, between Jane and 12th. - Booklet on 'New York's Underground' - Large . Id read five or six each time I went on. LEBOWITZ: That was later, for my next column, I Cover the Waterfront. That was after I met Marc. Ive gotten lots of date proposals. But this idea that people cannot kill each other? An opinion piece by the one and only Debbie "Blondie" Harry, right in time for Valentine's Day! Like, in World War I, a whole generation of Englishmen died all at once. If you don't know Fran Lebowitz, you'll get to know her very well in Pretend It's a City, the new 7-episode docuseries directed by her longtime friend, Martin Scorsese.Lebowitz has been . Kincaid divides her time between Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she is a professor of African American studies at Harvard University, and Bennington, Vermont, where her large brown clapboard house with yellow window trim is shielded by trees. LEBOWITZ: Yes. Amazon. But to me, romance is the opposite of domestic life. Lebowitz was born in 1950 in Morristown, New Jersey, the daughter of furniture store proprietors. CLEMENTE: How do you keep ten thousand books in order, do you have a personal librarian? Their antidote to this was giving me about 22 Thorazines. Im sorry, were full up. Fran Lebowitz. The duo were discussing their childhoods, saying as children they were never able to partake in "adult" conversations unless they were . I believe Im a great friend. But I wanted to be a beatnik when there were already hippies. People were pretty angry in general then. There may, in fact, still be no ceiling in the bathroom. She rented a theater and sat on stage and called people up and didnt tell them. She was a hot little number in 1978 . LEBOWITZ: Yes, the night before. Lebowitz discoursed without pause for two hours, chain-smoking all the while. In person, that voice pours out in great glittering riffs (on politics and personal space, on AIDS, the 80s, New York, and everything in between) that set Lebowitz atop our list of dream dinner-party guests and probably put her in the running for greatest talkers ever. press handouts. Lebowitz: Not from the people who made the movies. High Times: Do you watch anything else on TV besides Family Feud? Her early fiction, much of which also appeared in that magazine, was collected in At the Bottom of the River (1983), a book that, like her Talk stories, announced her themes, her style, the uncanny purity of her prose. He was the only person who took me seriously enough to ban me. And I said, Well, I dont really care. Its very important who the president of the United States is. American International made so many great movies that theyve all melted in my mind into one great A.I.P. I like Family Circle, Ladies Home Journal, anything with recipes that use marshmallows and American cheese in the same dish. There are musings about Times. Her essays and topical interviews on subjects ranging from the difficulty of finding an acceptable apartment to the art of freeloading at weekend houses have come to be regarded as classics of literary humor and social observation. If I know its the last day, I always do it. I did not connect eating with staying alive, so I didnt think anything of eating the food. The idea that New York is over makes some people angry, but it makes me laugh. And sometimes I went on at ten oclock in the morning and read to the guy sweeping up from the night before. I was pulled out of school to take care of my youngest brother while my mother went to work, and when she realized I hadnt been looking after him properly, that I had been reading instead, she gathered all the books I had stolen from the library over the years and burned them. It wasnt enough that he had Charles Mingus playing there every night. And I was once ejected from the Whitney Museum for making comments during a film about baking. More than it works in any other place. Theyre acting as if the other people are Abraham Lincoln. Twenty-five people sitting in the room staring at you while you are thinking. Its too expensive. They also deserve him as candidate, all these so-called mainstream RepublicansI dont know what thats supposed to mean. I believe Im a great friend. People say, "All the things that we like about New York are gone.". Light? Lebowitz: I like Marshall Brickman. Lebowitz: Tareyton, because thats what my mother smoked. That was on the second floor. Lebowitz: I had a parakeet when I was four called Polka Dotty, and I killed Polka Dotty by eating its food. Its placing too great a burden on the average intelligence. LEBOWITZ: When I move, I do. Fran is a renowned humorist and essayist. So he gave me enough Thorazine to put the entire college to sleep. After addressing her reaction to the Mueller . Everyone thought that to actually suspend you for smoking the matron had to catch you either holding a cigarette or with the smoke coming out of your mouth. The Fran Lebowitz Reader. It was the most money Id ever made. And its also not a modern idea; dictators are an old-fashioned idea. movie. Donald Trump is not my fault. And at that time he had every important movie, and that ended my movie-reviewing career. To me, it would be even a slower way to write. But a lot of people didnt like that piece and were angry at me. And I was really distraught. The housing problem would be solved completely. And I reviewed those. For the movie review columns, I always knew exactly what I was going to write aboutthe movies. But now, as Ive grown up, all my friends have developed much more mature writing habits. Lebowitz: I went through a period of watching $20,000 Pyramid, but it was too frustrating because every day I won $20,000 and I have no money. Directed by Martin Scorsese, it follows Lebowitz and Scorsese as they prowl New York City streets, museums and members clubs for conversations about the city. One of which is that I strongly object to having more than one generation of a family being president. I just talked it while a speed freak typed it. High Times: Why did you smoke an ounce of marijuana in one day? Had COVID-19 not been the new reality, we probably would have met at some vintage New York landmark, like The Players Club or McSorley's Old Ale House. I have to move the lamp to the desk. Im a great relative. At least to my face. Because if people dont hold grudges, it means they just dont care what people do.FRAN LEBOWITZ, LEBOWITZ: It was for The New York Times. This is why I have problems with books, because you cannot do that the night before. You might say that was the influence of my mother. You sit or stand in the subway, and you look aroundI do, because I dont have a phone so Im not playing a gameand you see people. When I got to the hospital they did not believe that I had smoked marijuana, I was so smashed. LEBOWITZ: I never remember saying that, but I would have to abridge that. High Times: What was it like being a cab driver? My mother came from Dominica, and the thing about those little islands is that people from one island or the other dont like each other. October 3, 2022 | 2:24pm. I mean, there are fewer good things than bad things. LEBOWITZ: Thats kind of backwards. The novel is reputedly about rich people who want to be artists, and artists who want to be rich people. Im going out. Im the only person left who is this irresponsible. You have an idea for an app? So we always have this fight, because I have a biography section, and he doesnt like that, because its so inelegant to have a biography section. The idea wasnt that I would establish myself and then have the rest of my family join me. And even when America is not working that well, it still works better than other places. Ive never seen the Kardashians; Im not sure who they are. In the case of most good writers the writing is better than they are. New Yorkers, weve seen Donald Trump for, like, 30 years; we know who he is. Lebowitz: Because I was 19 years old. And a piano player is sitting there as well. If I lived in another country, like a country that was, say, an enemy of the United States, I would be more amused than I am. CLEMENTE: If you were going to run for office in New York, what would be your program, and what kind of qualifications would you declare you have? Wander the New York City streets and fascinating mind of wry writer, humorist and raconteur Fran Lebowitz as she sits down with Martin Scorsese. Your friends who dont write will not stay on the phone with you, because they have other real things they want to do. And it turns out that the Bush family, like most families, has no smart ones. CLEMENTE: You were not good at math in school? Volume 1: Best of First Decade 1969-1979. I cant imagine what I could have done with it. ' Thats how I feel. Did Lucy come out of a feeling that you needed to put your arrival to America in its place somehowto examine it, or to leave it behind? CLEMENTE: Did you take drugs before you were 19? Why dont you just put some of your books in storage? And I always say the same thing: What if I told you I had four children? I like Thurber. Ms. Lebowitz was interviewed by Glenn OBrien, a longtime friend who has proposed marriage on several occasions. I remember it because they gave me the topic: What was the effect of AIDS on the culture? I also have the Family Feud home game, but I cant figure out how to play it. And a rooming house is different than a boarding house because there were no kitchens. The novel is reputedly about rich people who want to be artists, and artists who want to be rich people. With one suitcase? Nowadays if I were to be homesick it would be for Vermont, which is strange. Initially, she covered "Best of the Worst Movies," but later changed the name of her column to "I Cover the . When asked about the long delay in its delivery to her publisher, she explained that she only works on it on the side. was he fascinating? Im a horrible girlfriend. It was 87. Lebowitz: I was 19 at the time, so I thought it was entertaining. At my high school they employed a woman known as the matron whose sole job was to go into the girls bathrooms and catch people smoking. I used to be able to do it without feeling it, but now Im in bed for three days afterward. I was the best-dressed nanny you ever saw. It was terribly disconcerting because I knew that they werent going to cure me. Everyone I know says, Fran is a Luddite, she doesnt have a computer. But I never had a typewriter. January 30, 2011. Then I switched to Vantage. There is no such thing as inner peace. People always say pop culture. As if we have some high culture to distinguish it from. I published it under the name of the headmaster who threw me out of school. High Times: Do you ever think you cant do it? And, first of . High Times: When you were writing The Best of the Worst what was the best bad movie you ever saw? There were times when my mother and I would go swimming and she would disappear for a second, and I would imagine the depths just rolling over her, that shed go deeper and deeper and Id never see her again . When I was really young I wanted to be a toll taker because I thought they kept the money. . "And then we did it the Saturday . Lebowitz: I dont remember. Then, in 1972, she began writing for Andy Warhols Interview. Its not human nature. And Orson Welles agrees Behind him comes Fran Lebowitz, flustered from whatever is going on in the street. No matter how dull they are, they still have to figure things out for themselves. Pretend It's a City. Glenn OBriens interview with the iconic Fran Lebowitz from the August, 1978 issue of High Times magazine. But all the girls I knew when I was young who had to workthere were rich girlsbut the ones who had to work were waitresses. But, third of all, I used to say, I just cant go into a deli and order a roast beef sandwich and give them this.. The first people who died of AIDS were artists. Lebowitz: Ill never make it as a typist. I used to sneak out of bed to watch it. They thought I made them up. CLEMENTE: I know you follow politics, and I always thought you would make an excellent mayor of New York. I didnt connect with the fact that her father was a lord and that he had it privately printed, and that my father was not a lordhe owned a furniture store and had no intention of having a book privately printed. The title song was sung by a truck. Fran Lebowitz has tough love for tough COVID-19 times. Hes not going to be president. In the vein of Lebowitz's acclaimed Netflix limited series, Pretend It's a CityThe Fran Lebowitz Reader brings together two of the famed author's bestsellers, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies.In "elegant, finely honed prose" (The Washington Post Book World), Lebowitz limns the vicissitudes of contemporary urban lifeits fads, trends, crazes, morals, and fashions. When I got to the hospital I was restrained. When I first came here, meeting writers wasnt available to me; but now that I have met tons of those people, I wish I hadnt. Two rare items of Andy Warhol: 1) Pop goes art - Institut fr Popkultur - 1990 - Box - Contains several items: - Glossy folder of loose-leaf art-paper reproductions. People ask me, Arent you interested in what theyre thinking? I Cover The Waterfront. And then she would pop up somewhere else. Lebowitz: Id like to have a talk show with no guests. I also have several writing habits necessitated by living in this apartment. Fabulous. She is alive to the advantage in the irony that her literary heritage had not predicted her, exalted, brave, free. [5] She is known for her sardonic social commentary on American life as filtered through her New York City sensibilities and her association with many prominent figures of the . Youre so judgmental I would find it helpful. Like, this is the smart one, this is the pretty one. I dont know why it played in Morristown, New Jersey. I write so slowly that I could write in my own blood without hurting myself. I guess it didnt go. Scorsese ventures that it was at a literary party on New York City . If you can say 'I'll have that and a cup of coffee,' it's not art." 6. In those days you smoked whatever pot you had that day, so rather than share with others I smoked as much as I could humanly smoke. What you couldnt have at the time was male homosexuality, because the only books with male homosexuality were for male homosexuals. On the other hand, in the last few weeks, a couple of times I had dinner with people where I was the only American at the table, and I was yelled at for Donald Trump, like he was my fault. And he would weigh them. "Pretend it's a citywhere there are other people ," she pleads. by . What are they going to possibly say thats of interest? High Times: Did you ever get any bad reactions from your bad movie reviews? I never make the connection between someones writing and who they are. I would read it to him, because you cant read my writing. Everybody else was. Now, even if you have money, you can have a horrible apartment. "One of the reasons people our age came to New York, if you were gay, was because you . LEBOWITZ: I would talk to them, but luckily when you drive a cab there are two things: You dont have a boss in the cab with you, and you are not facing the people that you are making money from. I didnt know how to type, Marc knew how to type. I wouldnt say that I dislike the young. For some reason, I decided to cut off my hair and bleach it blond. I loved to smoke. I just talked too much. But I did actually graduate from high school, because I took the New Jersey High School Equivalency Test. But all the rest of them were, including Jeb Bush. It was a very terrifying experience because when I started to flip out having smoked this much pot I was in a room with people who had also smoked this much pot and no one would help me out. The show dives into conversations between New Yorkers Fran Lebowitz and Martin Scorcese, and it's like being within earshot of a candid, captivating dinner party convo that you can't help but tune into. Ill take you to 21 if you type for me. Ive typed some of my columns. Id like to be the admissions director of New York. Now she is winning new . Two rare items of Andy Warhol: 1) Pop goes art - Institut fr Popkultur - 1990 - Box - Contains several items: - Glossy folder of loose-leaf art-paper reproductions. by Anonymous: reply 136: January 15, 2021 3:23 AM: I adore her. Although complaint was her form, the result was a celebration of practical intelligence, a kind of Dr. Atkins epicureanism. CLEMENTE: One of my favorite things that you ever published was something that came out at the height of the AIDS epidemic, when the amount of nonsensical, prejudiced, ridiculous things being said was really extraordinary, and you came up with a few paragraphs that really nailed the situation. OK, come on. I styled myself to look like no one else. Interview was then a film magazine, and it reviewed almost every film that was released. That was one. I had always heard that Jeb Bush was the smart one. CLEMENTE: You didnt have a kitchen, but I doubt that you cook. It went on at five-thirty or six in the morning. As a Democrat, Id quite like him to be the candidate. I have to take the TV off the chair. Too insubstantial. Famously known to have sidestepped buying into browsing the Internet or even owning a computer, the iconic humorist doesn't - nor will she ever . "If you can eat it, it's not art. In clips of them talking on stage, Lebowitz looks uncharacteristically awestruck. Thats the problem. And he did those illustrations. "Candy was a man who wanted to be a female movie star," says Fran in the opening of the under-three-minute teaser. I wanted to know what a vodka for women meant. I had this aunt who had a book called The Night Visiters. I get tired, but fear keeps me awake. In placing them in magazines she was merely pursuing her policy of selling a piece of writing as many times as possible. Lebowitz: Ive had a number of interesting, colorful jobs. At the beginning, every day, you asked me a hundred questions about myself. Fran describes Ralph Lauren's copying, and eventual embodiment, of Brooks Brothers WASP style. I didnt have any adventures. Lebowitz: I was beatnikesque. Her voice is as musical as ever, high-pitched, the Anglo-Caribbean lilt beguiling. Everyone was paid in cash. Ill also invent things, like I have to clean the entire apartment before I write. Meeting James Joyce would be more on the order of sightseeing, like seeing the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial. Then I moved here. Lebowitz: Ive gotten some marriage proposals, but I dont think they were serious. I like Ebony too, but its no Sepia. Bei/Shutterstock. I think if there were no such thing as men, there would be no word processors. 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Their consciousness is so different from ours that they constitute a different species. During that period I had stripes cut on my hands. The essays were published inMetropolitan Life(1978) andSocial Studies(1981). On the way he started to drive into a tunnel, and I decided they might be going into a tunnel but I wasnt, so I tried to jump out of the car. I said to my friends, 'He's going to make you long for de Blasio, [and] he was terrible,'" the author . My favorite thing to do is to call another writer who has a deadline, because they will stay on the phone with you. The idea of writing something without publishing it is too horrifying to me. LEBOWITZ: But what about the caffeine? Then I start thinking that maybe somewhere in the house is a column that I never turned in. Copyright 2023 Interview Magazine. I mean, knowing James Joyce . And it allowed people who would be fifth-rate artists to come to the front of the line. After he described his husband's final day, terminally ill and surrounded by their four poodles, I said, "That's so special. Since we are on the pages of Interview magazine, should we go back to your beginnings at Interview? For instance, I, unfortunately, take the subway a lot. Thats why visitors was misspelled. There could be butchers and bookstores. Like a city. I said, "Toni, the restaurant's five blocks away.". This must be about 15 years ago. Like there is an American family where someones supposed to be president. CLEMENTE: So everything that you write is written by hand? I didnt do anything interesting. Lebowitz: I dont really remember it. For numerous reasons. Instead of representing oil as self-evident, Sinclair imbues it with a kaleidoscopic range of associations that reimagine it on visionary new terms.. There are these prototypes all over the place, mixed in with my own crummy furniture. Fran Lebowitz, ace epigrammatist, is further a first-rate conversationalist, a hall-of-fame bibliomaniac, a chronic self-caricaturist, a gal-about-town, the soul of the city, a snappish social . It's a drug. Im not a nervous person. I mean, that is why we had that little war with England. Stay home! She said theyd take one pack out and then move the rest up. I like lots of writers, but now I cant think of them. LEBOWITZ: No. And I even have the Richie Rich home game. Anna Rahmanan. And just think how fantastic New York would be. In conversation with Interview pal Francesco Clemente, Lebowitz here lays out her tongue-in-cheek platform for a mayoral run, declares the Donalds run done, and explains why New York is the greatest place in the world. Frans column was called The Best of the Worst; her job was reviewing the best of the current bad films, and she worked as hard as a Variety critic, taking in two or three screenings a day. They have a fresh approach. Especially because I was the only girl. They were these huge hardcover books that were different aspects of Interview. Polka Dotty ate seeds and celery tops, and my mother would give me Polka Dottys food, and I would go downstairs and eat it. This has never occurred. Fran Lebowitz was born on 27 October 1950 in Morristown, New Jersey, USA. CLEMENTE: Is there any aspect of New Jersey that you miss? These four guys figured out how to lift New York out of this dire financial condition with the campaign I Love NY. I hated this thing. Here's one guarantee in 2021: author Fran Lebowitz won't read this. By Meredith Blake Staff Writer. You might want this, but I will do that. Not just in school; I count on my fingers still. Truckstop Women was one of my favorites. I suppose that my work is always mourning something, the loss of a paradisenot the thing that comes after you die, but the thing that you had before. I wanted to be a beatnik. My parents did. 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